1 00:02:44,820 --> 00:02:47,620 This way. 2 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,198 Hey, sweetie. 3 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,200 How are you? 4 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,720 Busy. 5 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:35,960 How's the new job? 6 00:03:36,420 --> 00:03:37,760 I'm getting on top of it. 7 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:40,040 I'm interviewing President Clinton tomorrow. 8 00:03:40,420 --> 00:03:41,420 Really? 9 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,760 I'll give him my regards. 10 00:03:43,060 --> 00:03:44,060 I will. 11 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:46,760 What are you thinking? 12 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,020 Oh. 13 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:52,280 You know the three rules of journalism, sweetie? 14 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:54,300 One. 15 00:03:54,780 --> 00:03:57,200 Never eat at a place called Mama's Home Cooking. 16 00:03:57,820 --> 00:04:00,840 Two, never play cards with a guy called Doc. 17 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:05,880 And three, always remember that people deserve the truth. 18 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:08,860 I'll bear it in mind if I ever take up poker. 19 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:13,820 How's your mom? 20 00:04:15,260 --> 00:04:16,260 She's good. 21 00:04:18,779 --> 00:04:21,700 We should all get together before you head off somewhere again. 22 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:22,960 We should. 23 00:04:39,340 --> 00:04:40,340 Got something? 24 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:43,320 Someone's declared war on the United States. 25 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,140 This is his declaration of war? 26 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:51,740 Yeah. See? He's got a gun. 27 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:57,800 Yeah, I can see that. But he appears to be declaring war from a cave, rather 28 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,520 than from an Air Force base with a vast array of missile -laden bombers. 29 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,160 Yes. 30 00:05:04,460 --> 00:05:06,620 But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take him seriously. 31 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Peter. 32 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,740 He's declared war on the U .S. 33 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:47,380 Who is he? 34 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:49,540 Off the record? 35 00:05:50,180 --> 00:05:51,180 Of course. 36 00:05:51,620 --> 00:05:53,940 It's from one of the richest families in Saudi Arabia. 37 00:05:56,380 --> 00:05:57,380 Osama bin Laden. 38 00:05:58,220 --> 00:05:59,320 What's he doing in a cave? 39 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Back in 86, he had gone to Afghanistan to fight the Russians. 40 00:06:04,340 --> 00:06:08,160 He led a small force defending a mountain village against the Soviet 41 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:09,980 He held out for a month. 42 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:12,000 Finally, the Red Army gave up. 43 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,660 It was seen as a sign that the Russians could be beaten. 44 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:16,420 Made his reputation. 45 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:18,720 A reputation known here? 46 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:21,440 Yes, we befriended him. 47 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:23,020 Armed him? 48 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Yes. 49 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:26,780 Subsequently, he seems to have turned on us. 50 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:28,180 Can't trust anyone. 51 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,820 He got active in Saudi Arabia. 52 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:35,500 Active? How so? He moved back there, decried the American presence. 53 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,380 He got kicked out, moved on to Sudan, got kicked out of there. 54 00:06:38,780 --> 00:06:41,060 Now he's made this declaration of war. 55 00:06:42,820 --> 00:06:46,200 But does it mean anything? I mean, really. 56 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:51,160 Someone sits in a cave in Afghanistan and videos themselves declaring war on 57 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,160 United States. 58 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,200 Not me. I went to the office of the Attorney General, and I asked, was it a 59 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,840 crime for someone sitting in a cave in Afghanistan to declare war on the United 60 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:01,700 States? Is that a crime? 61 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,160 Well, they didn't know. 62 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:08,860 Ha! That's what I love about the States. You can declare war on it, and you may 63 00:07:08,860 --> 00:07:09,860 well be within your rights. 64 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,860 Finally, they got back to me and said that there was a conspiracy statute from 65 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:14,860 the Civil War. 66 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,460 Seriously? It forbade instigating violence or attempting to overthrow the 67 00:07:19,460 --> 00:07:20,460 States government. 68 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Could be applied. 69 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,640 Possibly. 70 00:07:24,940 --> 00:07:26,700 So, you are taking him seriously? 71 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:29,360 We take every threat seriously. 72 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Sure, but how much of a threat would you say he is? 73 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,060 Do you mean is he a five -minute time slot threat or a full commercial hour? 74 00:07:40,340 --> 00:07:41,800 So, is that it? 75 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Is that all you got on him? 76 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Recently, a Sudanese turned up in Germany. 77 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:56,140 seeking relocation to America in exchange for some information. 78 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,700 I was intrigued, so I went over. 79 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,560 After a while, he started talking about this organization called Al -Qaeda with 80 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,060 training camps and sleeper cells. 81 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:09,260 Said that they were responsible for the hotel bombing in Yemen and that they 82 00:08:09,260 --> 00:08:12,380 trained the insurgents that shot down our Blackhawks in Somalia. 83 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Well -trained, well -resourced, battle -hardened. 84 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,740 Dedicated to destroying America. 85 00:08:20,580 --> 00:08:21,580 100 men. 86 00:08:22,110 --> 00:08:24,130 but connected to a larger radical movement. 87 00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:30,790 And all under the control of... Osama bin Laden. 88 00:08:31,530 --> 00:08:33,110 We take him very seriously. 89 00:08:33,409 --> 00:08:35,750 We've had him expelled from Saudi Arabia and Sudan. 90 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:38,730 Afghanistan's his final bulldog. Whereabouts in Afghanistan? 91 00:08:40,830 --> 00:08:44,630 Actually, Peter, that's what we'd like to know. 92 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:48,630 The CIA don't know where he is either. 93 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:51,390 When the prophet was expelled from Mecca, 94 00:08:52,170 --> 00:08:53,170 Where did he go? 95 00:08:54,050 --> 00:08:56,770 Medina. But whereabouts in Medina? 96 00:08:58,050 --> 00:08:59,070 A cave. 97 00:08:59,590 --> 00:09:00,730 A cave. 98 00:09:01,390 --> 00:09:04,470 And in this cave, the angel Gabriel appeared to him. 99 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:09,730 Gabriel announced, you are the messenger of God. 100 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,380 to go find this bin Laden and talk to him? 101 00:09:44,940 --> 00:09:45,940 Someone. 102 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,800 A young reporter, perhaps? 103 00:09:48,620 --> 00:09:49,620 Youngish. 104 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Dad, how old are you now? 105 00:09:53,220 --> 00:09:57,340 What sort of question is that to ask a man of my age? It's a question you ask 106 00:09:57,340 --> 00:09:59,800 someone when you think they should start slowing down a bit. 107 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,400 You've already won all the glittering prizes. 108 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Take it easy. 109 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:06,800 Let the world go about its business while you go fishing. 110 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:10,900 How can I go fishing when things keep happening? 111 00:10:11,790 --> 00:10:13,610 And you've got to follow them? Yes. 112 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:15,690 This is my life. 113 00:10:17,270 --> 00:10:21,010 Elsa, we're almost at the end of the century. 114 00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:26,210 Somewhere out there is something that's going to define the next. 115 00:10:27,810 --> 00:10:29,210 I'm the one who's going to find it. 116 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:33,130 I read London. 117 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:37,170 If you want to know what's going on with the jihadists, you start in 118 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:38,170 Londonistan. 119 00:10:38,670 --> 00:10:39,850 And guess what I found out? 120 00:10:40,970 --> 00:10:41,970 We're not alone. 121 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:45,110 CBS and the BBC are on the trail. 122 00:10:45,650 --> 00:10:47,270 They've been putting out feelers. 123 00:10:47,610 --> 00:10:49,070 Well, that's great. 124 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:50,290 How is that great? 125 00:10:50,510 --> 00:10:52,970 Well, because, clearly, this is the story. 126 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:56,690 Well, what are we waiting for? Budget approval. 127 00:10:57,610 --> 00:10:58,610 Thanks, 128 00:11:00,130 --> 00:11:01,130 sweetie. 129 00:11:01,210 --> 00:11:02,630 So, have you found your man yet? 130 00:11:03,310 --> 00:11:04,310 Working on it. 131 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:07,470 CBS and the BBC are after him, too. 132 00:11:09,130 --> 00:11:10,230 He won't go with the BBC. 133 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:12,490 Why would he go with the BBC? 134 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:17,190 He's declared his holy war on the United States, not Britain. 135 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:19,470 It's CBS or us. 136 00:11:19,850 --> 00:11:21,110 And you know where he is? 137 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:23,510 No, but someone does. 138 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:27,610 Couldn't find out much about him, other than his war with the Russians in 139 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:28,610 Afghanistan. 140 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:30,070 What exactly does he want? 141 00:11:31,010 --> 00:11:34,310 At the end of the day, he wants an Islamic state. 142 00:11:34,690 --> 00:11:35,910 A caliphate. 143 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:38,110 That appears to be it, yes. 144 00:11:38,410 --> 00:11:39,410 Is he serious? 145 00:11:39,770 --> 00:11:43,350 But how and where did he plan to do that in this day and age? 146 00:11:44,090 --> 00:11:45,090 Someone's got to ask him. 147 00:11:45,930 --> 00:11:47,570 Are you sure this is a good idea? 148 00:11:48,670 --> 00:11:50,050 These people are dangerous. 149 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:53,870 I'm talking to your contacts in dark places. 150 00:11:54,270 --> 00:11:55,910 But it doesn't have to be you. 151 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:59,070 Yes, it does. 152 00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:05,490 Daniel Loda is from New Zealand. 153 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,220 Priscilla, the queen of the desert, is from Australia. 154 00:12:09,020 --> 00:12:10,280 They're two separate places. 155 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:12,140 I'm from New Zealand. 156 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:15,560 You do not get there by driving across the Sydney Harbour Bridge. 157 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,600 Peter. 158 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,140 Guess where I am. 159 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,480 We've got a budget. 160 00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:12,250 CPS News. 161 00:13:12,370 --> 00:13:13,630 Yeah. Come on. 162 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:32,310 Why now, do you reckon? 163 00:13:33,330 --> 00:13:37,670 Bin Laden's decided the time is ripe to follow up his various statements to the 164 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:38,670 Middle East. 165 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:41,650 He's calling on the Middle East to rise up. 166 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:46,990 And he wants to explain why to the Western media. 167 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:52,950 There's an outfit here in London called the Advice and Reformation Committee. 168 00:13:53,610 --> 00:13:59,170 A media information office set up to push Bin Laden and do a bit of 169 00:14:00,180 --> 00:14:01,280 Group them for what? 170 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:03,000 Bin Laden's private army? 171 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:04,980 Looks like. 172 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:43,120 Hey, you're a long way from the Tower of London. 173 00:14:43,820 --> 00:14:45,800 Good luck with whatever you're pursuing. Hey, buddy. 174 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:48,180 Although you might be a little late. 175 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:50,700 Asshole. Come on. 176 00:14:57,260 --> 00:14:58,260 Mr. Berger. 177 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Khalid. You just missed one of your colleagues. 178 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,360 Yes, he didn't miss us. 179 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,140 Such competition in the Western media. 180 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:07,620 Which I'm sure you'll agree is no bad thing for you. 181 00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:14,370 Khalid, this is Peter Arnett, of whom you will have heard. Of course. 182 00:15:14,630 --> 00:15:17,170 This is Peter Arnett, live from Baghdad. 183 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:21,090 While other Western journalists were a part of Desert Shield, Peter Arnett 184 00:15:21,090 --> 00:15:25,430 remained in Baghdad and reported from there while it was being bombed. Well, 185 00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:27,830 that's where the story was. 186 00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:30,690 An honour, Mr Arnett. 187 00:15:32,330 --> 00:15:34,790 Peter, this is Khalid Abdurrahman Al -Fawad. 188 00:15:35,530 --> 00:15:36,570 Salam Malikoum. 189 00:15:37,270 --> 00:15:38,270 Alhamdulillah. 190 00:15:44,699 --> 00:15:49,700 Oh. This is the office of the Advice and Reformation Committee. 191 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:51,760 An active committee. 192 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,220 And this is my colleague, Adel Abdel Pari. 193 00:15:59,780 --> 00:16:00,780 Bonjour. 194 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:02,860 Bonjour. Bonjour. 195 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,480 This is Mr. Arnett. Please. 196 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:28,680 We have received three applications to interview Sheikh Osama. 197 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,360 CBS News, BBC News, and yourselves. 198 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:41,640 All three applications are being examined. 199 00:16:42,220 --> 00:16:44,780 Sheikh Osama himself listens to the BBC. 200 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,220 The BBC News has great prestige and integrity. 201 00:16:50,020 --> 00:16:52,520 CBS offers a mass American audience. 202 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:55,340 What do you offer? 203 00:16:56,260 --> 00:16:58,660 The most famous journalist in the world. 204 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:05,380 1966 Pulitzer Prize winner for his coverage of the Vietnam War. The only 205 00:17:05,380 --> 00:17:07,680 reporter to cover the Gulf War from the inside. 206 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,920 What do we offer? 207 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:12,579 We offer Peter Arnett. 208 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:34,480 This is the BBC World Service. Here is the news. 209 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:40,460 Taliban forces have consolidated their grip on Kabul after storming the 210 00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:42,500 presidential palace 24 hours ago. 211 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:49,580 Ousted President Mohamedine Rabbani, his prime minister, and his military chief 212 00:17:49,580 --> 00:17:53,100 are being hunted by the radical Islamic group who branded them national 213 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:54,100 criminals. 214 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:59,900 The former president, Mohamed Najibullah, and his brother. 215 00:18:00,650 --> 00:18:02,690 have already been executed by the militants. 216 00:18:03,910 --> 00:18:08,830 Opposition leader Mullah Mohammad Omar and his Taliban fighters have been 217 00:18:08,830 --> 00:18:13,970 repulsed from Kabul twice before, but this time appeared to have secured the 218 00:18:13,970 --> 00:18:14,970 city. 219 00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:19,650 Hundreds of fighters and civilians have been killed in the conflict, and many 220 00:18:19,650 --> 00:18:22,990 more have fled to areas still held by government forces. 221 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:41,700 Hello? Hello? 222 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:46,720 Next time you answer it. 223 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,400 They'll go for you. 224 00:18:49,140 --> 00:18:50,200 I'll go with the BBC. 225 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:51,940 They want American television. 226 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,580 The BBC has class. But it hasn't got guts. 227 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,600 You've got guts. They'll go for you. 228 00:19:10,570 --> 00:19:11,570 We understand. 229 00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:21,050 Well... Excuse me. 230 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:25,610 Could you bring us a bottle of champagne in an ice bucket and two of your best 231 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:26,710 crystal glasses, please? 232 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:29,350 Yes! 233 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:31,890 Yes, yes, yes! 234 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:38,970 We do not want them following you. 235 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:45,000 You are to say, if anyone inquires that you are going to Kuwait, that is what 236 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000 you say. 237 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,980 If you think you are being followed, you are to abandon your trip and contact 238 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:56,840 me. If you continue your trip knowing that you are being followed, your lives 239 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,840 will be at risk. 240 00:19:58,380 --> 00:20:00,680 You must take me seriously on this. 241 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,160 Once more into the breach. 242 00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:05,380 Yes. Peter. 243 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,660 Hi. Peter, you know Peter Annette? 244 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:11,540 Peter, three pizzas. 245 00:20:12,140 --> 00:20:13,140 Must be lucky. 246 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:17,340 So, where are we going? 247 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,580 Officially, it's Kuwait. We're going to Afghanistan. 248 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:22,180 Uh -huh. 249 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,219 Know it well. 250 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:24,800 Then you'll know it's not going to be simple. 251 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,640 Heads up. 252 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,940 Hey, you're up on assignment. 253 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,600 Kuwait. 254 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:35,380 It's not in Kuwait. 255 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:37,140 Even I know that. 256 00:20:41,540 --> 00:20:42,540 Khalid, gentlemen. 257 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,800 You will find that Sheikh Osama is a very humble patriot. 258 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:49,740 He is a hero of the war in Afghanistan. 259 00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:52,320 He escaped death from the Russians. 260 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,580 Allah, praise be his name, was watching over him. 261 00:20:56,740 --> 00:20:59,520 He seems to have it in for a lot of people. 262 00:21:00,140 --> 00:21:03,360 He is opposed to the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia. 263 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,660 This is the birthplace of the Prophet. 264 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,560 The House of Saud who allows foreign troops there for their own purposes. 265 00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:11,870 He considers them not true Muslims. 266 00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:14,750 The House of Saud, they are apostates. 267 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:18,170 Last I heard, he was calling for the death of all U .S. citizens. 268 00:21:18,670 --> 00:21:23,070 That's 320 million people. These are views I neither condemn nor condone. You 269 00:21:23,070 --> 00:21:26,230 won't take the odd million. I merely work for the Air Force. You go ahead. 270 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:27,230 catch up. 271 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,380 Dad? It's Dad. 272 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,720 Hey, sweetie. 273 00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:58,500 I'm still in London. 274 00:21:59,740 --> 00:22:00,900 Back in New York soon. 275 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:03,120 Shouldn't be long. 276 00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:05,680 Just have to make a side trip. 277 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,920 Where to? 278 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:09,060 I'm going to Kuwait. 279 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:10,920 Kuwait? Yes. 280 00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:13,780 When will you be back? 281 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:14,980 Oh, very soon. 282 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Very, very soon. 283 00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:21,580 I'll ring when I've made a booking back to New York. 284 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:24,690 I'll try. 285 00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:28,050 What are you doing? 286 00:22:28,570 --> 00:22:29,570 I'm having lunch. 287 00:22:33,070 --> 00:22:34,070 You still there? 288 00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:38,230 Sure. I was just thinking of Central Park. 289 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:39,730 Lunch with you. 290 00:22:42,770 --> 00:22:44,450 Where are you having lunch? 291 00:22:45,410 --> 00:22:47,890 Windows on the World. In the World Trade Center. 292 00:22:49,050 --> 00:22:51,690 Clearly you're not by yourself. 293 00:22:53,420 --> 00:22:57,080 No. Oh, I've just remembered. It's your mom's birthday tomorrow. 294 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,080 Actually, it's today. 295 00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:01,940 Are you sure? 296 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,500 Hold on, I'll ask. 297 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:06,620 It is your birthday today, isn't it? Yes, it is. 298 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,140 She says it is. 299 00:23:08,660 --> 00:23:09,760 You want to speak to her? 300 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:17,020 No, no, it's... Passed on my birthday greetings. 301 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,760 Dad wants birthday greetings passed on to you. 302 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,040 She wants to know how you are. 303 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:28,160 I'm fine. I'm fine. 304 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:31,200 Mom says slow down. 305 00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:33,580 I will. 306 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,040 She said that people can't keep up with you. 307 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:37,139 I know. 308 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:39,380 I know. She says they drop off the pace. 309 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,440 People are looking after me. Then let them do it. 310 00:23:43,660 --> 00:23:44,720 Dad, slow down. 311 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:52,620 Well, lots of love. 312 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,840 And your mom. 313 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,840 See you when I see ya. 314 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,520 Keep safe in Kuwait. 315 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,300 I will. 316 00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:19,620 You will go to Islamabad. 317 00:24:20,380 --> 00:24:23,260 And you will wait there until you hear from us. 318 00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:38,640 I'll interview any subject I feel is newsworthy, provided I get to ask the 319 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,840 questions that have to be asked. 320 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,340 What about Hitler? 321 00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:42,279 Adolf Hitler? 322 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,199 Of course. 323 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,320 If someone wanted it. 324 00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:48,520 If no one wanted to pay for it, I wouldn't. Ah, so they'd just have to pay 325 00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:50,600 would they? Well, if they wanted it, of course. 326 00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:56,880 And the first question I'd ask Hitler is, why are you murdering all the Jews 327 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,620 Europe? Now, you might say, he wouldn't allow such a question. Mm -hmm. 328 00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:04,270 Pass me that ball. 329 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:48,460 Come on, come on. 330 00:27:33,770 --> 00:27:34,830 As -salamu alaykum. 331 00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:21,670 What do you want me to do? 332 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:22,950 Talk to me. 333 00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:31,990 I can't do it. 334 00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:51,450 The Southland Times. 335 00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:55,090 Taught me two things. 336 00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:57,130 Taught me accuracy. 337 00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:59,010 And taught me how to write. 338 00:29:00,170 --> 00:29:01,170 I loved it. 339 00:29:02,530 --> 00:29:04,710 Trouble was, I had itchy feet. 340 00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:07,210 So, I worked in Bangkok. 341 00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:10,570 Got a job as an editor when the last drunk walked out. 342 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:11,970 Then Laos. 343 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:13,410 Thrown out of Jakarta. 344 00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:14,990 Drifted on. 345 00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:17,290 Vietnam. 346 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:39,940 A U .S. major said to me today, it became necessary to destroy the town in 347 00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:40,940 to save it. 348 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:48,360 Johnson and McNamara, Nixon and Kissinger, they knew the war was 349 00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:50,680 They betrayed the young kids they sent to Vietnam. 350 00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:55,100 The war ended because America finally lost faith in itself. 351 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,800 I met my wife there. 352 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,700 What about Baghdad? You were there in 91. 353 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:22,540 The Gulf War. Yeah. 354 00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:26,180 The first war broadcast live on TV. 355 00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:28,560 The bombing is intensifying now. 356 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:32,420 The explosions are coming closer to this part of the town. 357 00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:37,560 34 members of Congress signed a petition accusing me of unpatriotic journalism. 358 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,200 Direct. With history. 359 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,380 Peter Bergen? 360 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,100 Quoi? 361 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:03,180 It's off. 362 00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:04,500 What? Why? 363 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Wasn't told. 364 00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:07,380 It's not off! 365 00:31:07,690 --> 00:31:10,290 It's off if we say it's off, but right now it's not off. 366 00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:15,430 Who is it? Peter. 367 00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:24,370 It's been an attempt on Bin Laden's life. 368 00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:27,570 His security have built a wall around him. 369 00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:29,450 We have to wait. 370 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:30,750 How long? 371 00:32:30,910 --> 00:32:31,910 Don't know. 372 00:32:35,530 --> 00:32:37,090 I bumped into that friend of yours. 373 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:40,110 What friend? Your CIA contact. 374 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:42,090 O 'Rourke, if that's his name. 375 00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:43,890 O 'Rourke's in Islamabad? 376 00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:45,089 Yeah. 377 00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:47,070 Well, where did you see him? Hotel Foyer. 378 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,080 There's only one reason why he'd be here. 379 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,480 The same reason we're here. 380 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,600 Yeah. 381 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,160 Come on. 382 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:45,750 Ali! 383 00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:48,510 What's going on? 384 00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:54,610 The CIA is here? 385 00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:55,930 No. 386 00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:57,430 It's not possible. 387 00:33:57,930 --> 00:34:03,650 They offer a million dollars in gold for all information on the localization of 388 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:04,650 Shah Hassan. 389 00:34:04,890 --> 00:34:10,889 And two million dollars for anyone who can take it and bring it to Pakistan. 390 00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:13,630 Are you going to tell someone why you're here? 391 00:34:14,170 --> 00:34:18,150 No, we're making a story about refugees. 392 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:28,909 Meanwhile, behind Taliban lines, the average Afghani villager carries on his 393 00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:31,949 -to -day life in a manner little changed over the centuries. 394 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:35,310 Peter? 395 00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:38,750 Surprise. 396 00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:42,230 So? 397 00:34:43,659 --> 00:34:44,659 Why are you here, Peter? 398 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,980 It's a story we're working on. 399 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:48,500 Uh -huh. 400 00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,199 Refugees pouring across from Afghanistan. 401 00:34:51,820 --> 00:34:53,239 You're not thinking of going over the border? 402 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,560 No one can get over the border. 403 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,080 You been trying? 404 00:34:57,540 --> 00:34:58,499 No way. 405 00:34:58,500 --> 00:34:59,500 It's not in the picture. 406 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,860 Well, you know why I'm here, then. 407 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,440 I can take a pretty good guess. 408 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Peter, where are you? 409 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:18,400 I'm outside, out the back on the terrace. 410 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,360 Peter, if you're on to his whereabouts, if you have a lead, you have to share 411 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,420 it. It's refugees, Pat. 412 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:29,860 Plain and simple. 413 00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:32,360 We all have kids back home. 414 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,060 Kids, wives, moms, dads. 415 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,760 I've got this job defending them. 416 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:40,040 And I need all the help I can get. 417 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:43,920 Because the bombings, they're not going to stop here. 418 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:52,690 Peter. Pat O 'Rourke, Peter Bergen. Yes, I think we crossed paths earlier. 419 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:54,270 Yeah. 420 00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:58,070 I was telling Pat about the refugee program we're putting together. 421 00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:59,390 Yes, why we're here. 422 00:36:01,170 --> 00:36:02,370 Well, I'll leave you to it. 423 00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:05,150 Peter. Pat. 424 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:07,030 Mr. Bergen. 425 00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:10,650 Don't forget what I said. 426 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,920 What's he been saying? 427 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,600 He wants us to share any info we've got. 428 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,800 We don't have any info. 429 00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:28,740 That's right. That's what we're doing as a program on refugees. 430 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,440 Exactly. 431 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,640 It's on again. 432 00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:40,180 I look happy. 433 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,840 Yeah. 434 00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,920 Three guards outside the building died in the blast and nine American 435 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,320 contractors were wounded. 436 00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:06,400 The explosives were hidden inside a vehicle delivering supplies to the 437 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,540 consulate, detonated during the busy morning rush hour. 438 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:14,540 The attack occurred in one of the most secure areas of the city, surrounded by 439 00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:19,000 government offices guarded by three -meter blast walls and security forces. 440 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:24,240 Other Western embassies, including the British and German consulates, are 441 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,240 located there. 442 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,279 You've reached Alpha. 443 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,440 Sorry I can't take your call right now. Leave me a message and I'll call you 444 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,440 right back. 445 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,100 Hi, sweetie. 446 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,680 It's your dad. 447 00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:42,120 Just ringing in to say I'm safe and well 448 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,840 in Kuwait. 449 00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:49,940 Hope the same with you. 450 00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:54,220 We'll be home soon. 451 00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:00,790 Lots of love, sweetie. 452 00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:24,310 Hey, Peter. 453 00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:26,190 Everything okay? 454 00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:27,530 Oh, just... 455 00:38:27,850 --> 00:38:29,550 Checking to see if there are any calls from my daughter. 456 00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:31,570 She worries about me. 457 00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:33,470 Okay. 458 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:24,000 When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come 459 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,680 cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brain. 460 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:32,400 And go to your goal like a soldier. Ah, yes, Kipling. 461 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,220 Same play, another time. 462 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,560 Good advice. 463 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,400 Remember it. 464 00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:09,070 Get a message from your daughter no signal up here, but I've told her all's 465 00:40:09,070 --> 00:40:13,730 We're in Kuwait Not 466 00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:19,470 easy is it sometimes 467 00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:21,050 what's that? 468 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,580 Did you know Abel's buried around here? 469 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,880 Abel? 470 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:40,158 Abel who? 471 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,160 Abel Tasman? 472 00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:43,060 Who the fuck's Abel Tasman? 473 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,020 Abel. The son of Adam and Eve? 474 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,240 Abel from the Bible. 475 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,040 Abel. Cain flew Abel and dragged his body up here somewhere. 476 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,080 From Mesopotamia? 477 00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:58,060 Well, I don't know, but he dragged his body up here and he buried it. Where 478 00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:58,799 it say that? 479 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,380 What do you mean, where does it say that? Where in the Bible does it say 480 00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:03,900 buried Abel in the Khyber Pass? 481 00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:09,540 Well, I don't know. Well, where does it say it anyway, then? Is there a signpost 482 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:15,240 up ahead saying, Tomb of Adam and Eve's boy Abel, two kilometers? Look, I read 483 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,660 it on some side. All right? 484 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,680 That could be it. 485 00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:27,820 We'll see. 486 00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:43,090 Drive on, drive on. 487 00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:45,490 I wasn't going to... 488 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:13,230 How far is the border? 489 00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:21,770 I'd say about 20 miles up ahead. 490 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,040 That's good. 491 00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:19,860 You speak English? 492 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,920 Yeah. 493 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,100 You know you cannot enter Afghanistan without an entry visa? 494 00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:27,540 Yeah. And foreigners are not issued entry visas? 495 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,040 Yeah. 496 00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:36,000 We will be back here within half an hour. 497 00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:38,180 Probably. Possibly alive. 498 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,820 Then again... You're a fun guy. 499 00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:46,220 What are we doing? 500 00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:48,120 Stealing our nerve. 501 00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:50,760 Well, when you reach the Rubicon, you don't go fishing. 502 00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:55,600 I read it somewhere. 503 00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:00,820 Everyone ready? 504 00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:03,720 We insured. Against what? 505 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,680 Death. 506 00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:30,589 Peter's right. 507 00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:32,290 Rubicon reached. 508 00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:33,670 No time for a fishing. 509 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:38,010 Well, it would have been a comfort to have had entry visa. 510 00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:40,130 Foreigners can't get entry visa. 511 00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:41,530 Yes, we know that, Peter. 512 00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:01,780 Assalamu alaikum. 513 00:45:47,759 --> 00:45:50,900 What's going on? 514 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:15,920 Check it out. 515 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:17,720 Videotape in the tree. 516 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,260 I have to be careful with that camera, Pete. 517 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:22,060 Americans. 518 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,500 New Zealander. Brought up in England. 519 00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:32,220 English. God save the Queen. 520 00:46:47,879 --> 00:46:49,400 Okay. Go. 521 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,380 Drive on in. 522 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,100 You know what Harold Macmillan said? 523 00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:38,920 British Prime Minister, 1950s, 1960s. 524 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,600 He was asked what he'd learned from a lifetime in politics. 525 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:43,860 A lifetime. 526 00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:46,700 He had a long thing to say. 527 00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:49,200 Never invade Afghanistan. 528 00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:08,980 Better pull over. 529 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,940 Get out or wait. 530 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,560 Stay seated. 531 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,680 Salaam alaikum. 532 00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:25,980 Salaam. 533 00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:27,340 American? 534 00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:29,200 English. Raised in England. 535 00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:31,060 New Zealander. 536 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,600 English. Mile and Road. 537 00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:49,260 Passports American raised in England England 538 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:55,540 Born in New Zealand Kiwi 539 00:48:55,540 --> 00:49:02,540 We're here to talk to Osama bin Laden Osama bin 540 00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:03,540 Laden 541 00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:26,530 Hello. Hello. 542 00:49:26,890 --> 00:49:27,890 Hello. 543 00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:29,530 Hello. Go! 544 00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:30,850 Go! 545 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,060 Been here before me too different times different bloody times indeed 546 00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:23,720 You're his media advisor? 547 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,900 Correct. He has a media advisor? 548 00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:28,880 Yes. We have ruined an ancient culture. 549 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,200 Well, Mr. Media Advisor, I thought I was to do an interview. 550 00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:34,459 That is correct. 551 00:51:34,460 --> 00:51:35,520 Well, this is not an interview. 552 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:36,880 This is our interview. 553 00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:39,800 I give you a set of questions. 554 00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:45,020 You go away, come back, and tell me which ones I can ask and which I can't, 555 00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:46,980 then Mr. Bin Laden answers them. 556 00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:50,770 Yes. Well, no, that's not an interview. I don't want to repeat myself. 557 00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:55,170 If we give you prepared questions, all we're going to get are prepared answers. 558 00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:57,230 Yes. Correct. 559 00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:10,170 We're simply here to ask the questions, record the answers, take them back to 560 00:52:10,170 --> 00:52:10,848 the network. 561 00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:14,530 I want to find out what makes him tick. CNN don't want him ticking. They want 562 00:52:14,530 --> 00:52:15,530 him answering questions. 563 00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:20,830 You've got to see this. 564 00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:22,530 What is it? 565 00:52:23,830 --> 00:52:25,890 I'm not sure. 566 00:52:28,510 --> 00:52:32,130 It looks like graves. 567 00:52:33,930 --> 00:52:36,090 Yeah, I think it's a cemetery. 568 00:52:36,490 --> 00:52:38,210 A graveyard. Great. 569 00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:40,610 How many have you got? 570 00:52:41,050 --> 00:52:42,630 I've written down 30. 571 00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:46,870 Okay. His attitude to the Saudi royal family. 572 00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:49,190 What kind of society is he after? 573 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,760 How does the West fit in? 574 00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:54,540 It's jihad against the U .S. in Arabia. 575 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:55,880 Where's that heading? 576 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,600 He's targeting U .S. troops. 577 00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:59,240 What about U .S. civilians? 578 00:52:59,580 --> 00:53:00,580 They're the questions. 579 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,680 Well, you know what everyone really cares about? 580 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,160 What? 581 00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:08,400 How much is their gas going to cost? 582 00:53:34,990 --> 00:53:37,650 You will not ask any questions about Mr. Bin Laden's family. 583 00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:39,270 Why is that? 584 00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:41,510 He is very protective of his family. 585 00:53:42,250 --> 00:53:43,550 Can we do follow -ups? 586 00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:46,490 Clarification? There will be no need for any clarifications. 587 00:53:48,490 --> 00:53:49,850 Which one of you is the cameraman? 588 00:53:50,850 --> 00:53:52,550 Uh, me. 589 00:53:53,110 --> 00:53:54,250 Let me see your equipment. 590 00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:57,070 Sure. 591 00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:30,250 You can't bring this. 592 00:54:31,690 --> 00:54:33,490 What? You can't bring this. 593 00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:35,010 But this is my gear. 594 00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:37,090 We've come here to film an interview. 595 00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:38,350 You can't use this. 596 00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:40,410 This is my camera and my life. 597 00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:43,430 We don't know what it is. I just told you. 598 00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:45,470 You can't bring this. 599 00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:49,830 We've come here to film an interview with Mr. Bin Laden. This is what we're 600 00:54:49,830 --> 00:54:51,470 going to use to film that interview. 601 00:54:52,030 --> 00:54:53,030 No. 602 00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:05,050 You've got to look at it from their point of view, Peter. 603 00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:09,750 What you claim is a beta cam could well be an AK -47. 604 00:55:11,770 --> 00:55:15,910 And this lighting rig could be a rocket launcher. I've lugged this gear halfway 605 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:16,910 around the world. 606 00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:18,070 Finally, you're free of it. 607 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,040 Does it work? 608 00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:48,860 Look, it's going to have to do. What about lights? 609 00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:52,340 There is electric light available. We have a generator. If we're filming 610 00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:54,340 of a mountain cave, I'm going to need a bit of light. 611 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,480 Sheik Osama does not live in a cave. 612 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,800 Okay, what about a tripod? 613 00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,240 Do you have a tripod? 614 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,480 Okay. 615 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,280 Well, it'll have to do. Exactly. 616 00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:22,710 We will be in touch. 617 00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:08,589 They're off. 618 00:57:17,110 --> 00:57:18,110 Mobile phones. 619 00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:19,290 Give them to me. 620 00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:23,250 You'll get them back when this is over. Give them to me. 621 00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:27,170 Leave. 622 00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:42,720 You know, I left mine inside. 623 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,780 What? What's going on? What? 624 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,080 Give me the bag. 625 00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:51,920 Give me the bag. 626 00:58:11,790 --> 00:58:14,110 I said no cameras. I need a proper camera. 627 00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:15,550 I 628 00:58:15,550 --> 00:58:23,610 needed 629 00:58:23,610 --> 00:58:24,610 a proper camera. 630 00:59:17,770 --> 00:59:19,050 We covered with kidnap insurance? 631 00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:21,370 We're not being kidnapped. 632 00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:23,070 We're doing an interview. 633 00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:25,670 Yeah. With a bloody handicap. 634 00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:54,930 Come on. 635 00:59:59,050 --> 01:00:00,050 Put these on. 636 01:00:33,290 --> 01:00:34,290 Do I look better in these? 637 01:01:27,850 --> 01:01:29,490 What is going on? Don't worry. 638 01:01:30,190 --> 01:01:31,730 They've made so much effort already. 639 01:01:32,530 --> 01:01:34,090 Not them I'm worried about. 640 01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:38,450 We've been tracked from some U .S. satellite. 641 01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:41,070 We'll be right beneath the missile. 642 01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:46,350 This is Peter Arnett, live from Kaboom! 643 01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:48,030 Back in. 644 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,180 I'm going to need more light than these kerosene lamps. 645 01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:18,420 Assalamualaikum. Waalaikumussalam. 646 01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:35,790 You are Mr. 647 01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:37,030 Peter Arnett? 648 01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:38,970 Yes. 649 01:05:39,690 --> 01:05:41,830 You speak English, Mr. Bin Laden? 650 01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:43,990 Of course. 651 01:05:45,550 --> 01:05:47,150 Thank you for agreeing to the interview. 652 01:05:48,990 --> 01:05:50,510 Can I get some light now? 653 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,580 Let me get, I want to get some tea. 654 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,320 I am very pleased to meet you, Mr. Arnett. 655 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:39,640 You are famous. 656 01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:42,180 I'm on TV. 657 01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:44,080 That's what fame amounts to. 658 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,460 I watched your report from Baghdad. 659 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,380 The Al -Rashid Hotel. 660 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,200 This is Mr. Arnett. 661 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,880 Life from Baghdad. 662 01:06:53,820 --> 01:06:58,120 There were others there, but we were the only ones with a phone line out. 663 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,820 Pretty soon, we were the only ones left. 664 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,560 You could have been killed by the invading Americans. 665 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:06,760 I could have. 666 01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:07,900 But you weren't. 667 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:09,980 Allah be praised. 668 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,040 Allah be praised. 669 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,120 You are not American. 670 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,180 I'm a naturalized American. 671 01:07:23,180 --> 01:07:24,980 You are from New Zealand? 672 01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:26,840 Originally, yes. 673 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,280 I have been reading about New Zealand. 674 01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:35,360 If you go there and keep on going, you start coming back. 675 01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:40,380 I have been reading about its dairy industry. 676 01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:42,580 Its dairy industry? 677 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,340 I have milked cows when I was a boy. 678 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,120 I was a city boy. 679 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,840 I have a dairy farm in Saudi Arabia. 680 01:07:49,580 --> 01:07:51,360 I have my own watches. 681 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,400 Dates. 682 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,200 Palms. Thank you. 683 01:08:01,060 --> 01:08:02,060 Junipers. 684 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,240 Orange trees. 685 01:08:04,740 --> 01:08:05,740 Lemon trees. 686 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:07,800 Limes. 687 01:08:09,980 --> 01:08:12,320 But I am happy here. 688 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:13,860 I like the mountains. 689 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,439 I like this life. 690 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:18,800 This life. 691 01:08:19,350 --> 01:08:20,649 is superior to the city. 692 01:08:21,010 --> 01:08:22,270 It makes you strong. 693 01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:27,069 The New Zealand people are close to the country, yes? 694 01:08:27,729 --> 01:08:30,109 Like I said, I was raised in the city. 695 01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:31,970 City life is decadent. 696 01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:37,890 Nations that are close to the country ways, like New Zealand, they are strong. 697 01:08:38,890 --> 01:08:42,370 They have a greater will to fight for their land. 698 01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:46,069 It's a long time since I've been to New Zealand. 699 01:08:46,350 --> 01:08:48,770 Our homeland stays inside us. 700 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:50,680 It follows us around. 701 01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,380 I am from Saudi Arabia. 702 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,040 It follows me. 703 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,140 It tries to kill me. 704 01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:04,920 We heard there'd been an attempt on your life. 705 01:09:05,420 --> 01:09:07,060 It was not a very good attempt. 706 01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:09,460 It was a relief to hear you'd been spared. 707 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,880 Otherwise, you would have had no program. 708 01:09:23,869 --> 01:09:25,490 Ah, thank you. 709 01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:28,890 You 710 01:09:28,890 --> 01:09:37,109 live 711 01:09:37,109 --> 01:09:38,109 in America? 712 01:09:38,410 --> 01:09:40,670 New York. It's a great city. 713 01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:43,790 You live in America, yet it's government that sued you. 714 01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:45,950 It's government also honored me. 715 01:09:47,210 --> 01:09:48,210 That's America. 716 01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:50,689 You have children? 717 01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:52,750 Yes. A son. 718 01:09:55,780 --> 01:09:57,200 Daughter. Families are important. 719 01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:58,660 Yes, I know. 720 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:04,160 How many wives do you have? We agreed there to be no questions about Sheikh 721 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,160 Osama's family. 722 01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:07,480 I have four. 723 01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:09,300 I have none. 724 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,240 I had one, but we parted. 725 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:15,800 I regret that. 726 01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:18,840 I keep my wife close to me. 727 01:10:19,340 --> 01:10:21,480 I try to be fair and just. 728 01:10:22,019 --> 01:10:25,700 And divide up my time so each gets an equal share. 729 01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:28,500 Give each wife what is enough for her. 730 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,440 That is how I live. 731 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,680 Perhaps you did not give your wife what was enough for her. 732 01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:59,940 This is my son. 733 01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:11,820 Good to meet you. 734 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:16,720 Salaam alaikum. 735 01:11:46,340 --> 01:11:53,000 I told my son we must take advantage 736 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,480 of television to spread our message. 737 01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,480 I have children who wonder why I do the things I do. 738 01:12:01,710 --> 01:12:04,950 When they grow older, they understand. 739 01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:08,790 My son here understands. 740 01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:14,550 He understands why I was put on earth by God. 741 01:12:19,730 --> 01:12:25,110 I ask 742 01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:30,990 Omar why I was put on earth. 743 01:12:32,430 --> 01:12:37,330 He replies to fight the jihad and find justice for Muslims. 744 01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:41,010 How far would you pursue this? 745 01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:42,370 As far as necessary. 746 01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:44,750 You would die for it? 747 01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:46,050 Of course. 748 01:12:47,370 --> 01:12:51,650 I expect to die someday at the hands of the Americans. 749 01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:54,990 Would you... 750 01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:59,490 Let your son die for this cause. This is not a question. Would you, for example, 751 01:12:59,590 --> 01:13:04,270 let your son wear a suicide vest? This is not a question. You say that all 752 01:13:04,270 --> 01:13:07,810 American citizens are legitimate targets for your war. We agreed on the 753 01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:11,150 question. My kids could be targets. These are not questions for Sheikh 754 01:13:11,230 --> 01:13:15,150 Would you allow your son to be the cause of such death and in the process have 755 01:13:15,150 --> 01:13:17,410 his life taken from him? There is no more interview. 756 01:13:17,630 --> 01:13:19,170 Finished. We haven't started. 757 01:13:37,129 --> 01:13:42,910 I ask Amr if he would give his life for Allah. 758 01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:47,430 He replied, as I would expect him to. 759 01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:50,490 Of course. 760 01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:51,790 Right. 761 01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:55,810 I just need to mic you up. 762 01:13:56,230 --> 01:13:57,410 There is no more interview. 763 01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:20,990 Okay, and Peter, you would send him out as a suicide bomber? 764 01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:23,530 If it was God's purpose. 765 01:14:24,050 --> 01:14:26,150 How would you know if it was God's purpose? 766 01:14:26,770 --> 01:14:27,890 God would tell me. 767 01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:35,530 God spoke to Abraham and asked him to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice. 768 01:14:36,610 --> 01:14:39,690 Okay, not my favorite part of the Bible. 769 01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:44,170 What kind of God would ask such a thing? 770 01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:48,450 A God who wanted to know the strength of his followers. 771 01:14:48,690 --> 01:14:54,990 So if you thought God wanted you to sacrifice your own child, you would? 772 01:14:57,150 --> 01:15:02,750 You Christians tell us your God sacrificed his son. My children are 773 01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:05,610 me. Mr. Arnett, my children are precious to me. 774 01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:08,390 All Muslim children are precious. 775 01:15:09,810 --> 01:15:11,230 And they are scorned. 776 01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:13,650 They are mocked. 777 01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:16,010 Your answer is to send them to die? 778 01:15:17,190 --> 01:15:18,770 Death has no fear for us. 779 01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:20,750 Death is the gateway to paradise. 780 01:15:21,970 --> 01:15:24,010 Mr. Arnett, we defeated the Russians. 781 01:15:24,670 --> 01:15:26,570 This was a great victory for Islam. 782 01:15:26,850 --> 01:15:29,070 This was the first victory in hundreds of years. 783 01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:33,230 We were once the world's greatest culture. 784 01:15:34,290 --> 01:15:35,650 It's more civilized people. 785 01:15:36,970 --> 01:15:38,810 Then we became a defeated people. 786 01:15:40,510 --> 01:15:41,530 A little people. 787 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:45,340 But now who is defeated? 788 01:15:46,020 --> 01:15:49,420 The Russians defeated so badly their whole empire collapsed. 789 01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:53,040 We have regained our dignity. 790 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,020 We are ready for the next enemy. 791 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:05,060 America. All Muslims await another Salah al -Din who will come and liberate our 792 01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:09,000 land from infidels like the Russians and Christians and Jews. 793 01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:11,460 And this is you? 794 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,260 No. There was only one Salah ad -Din. 795 01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:19,900 But there remains that hope and belief. 796 01:16:21,340 --> 01:16:23,260 My mission is to ignite that. 797 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,160 Saladin was buried in a great tomb in Damascus. 798 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,860 When Mr. Bin Laden dies, he will too be buried in a great tomb. 799 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,240 No. 800 01:16:31,940 --> 01:16:38,580 My tomb will be the caliphate stretching about the globe, stretching from the 801 01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:40,360 desert to the South Sea. 802 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,460 Say a few words for me, Pete. 803 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,900 This is Peter Arnett. 804 01:16:45,780 --> 01:16:46,880 Yeah, and a few more? 805 01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:51,460 Talking with Osama bin Laden somewhere in Afghanistan. 806 01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:57,520 What did you expect to find, Mr. Arnett, in America when you went there from 807 01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,520 your homeland? 808 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,760 I expected to find nothing but America. 809 01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:07,080 But when you go to America, you find yourself as well. 810 01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:08,660 How can you find yourself in America? 811 01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:12,280 It's a whole new world, which... 812 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:17,940 Forces you to question everything you believe in. What you must look for, what 813 01:17:17,940 --> 01:17:20,300 you must find, is God. 814 01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:23,400 You find God in the desert. 815 01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:24,920 Not America. 816 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,360 You find freedom. 817 01:17:28,340 --> 01:17:30,460 Freedom from servitude. 818 01:17:30,860 --> 01:17:33,200 And do you want to impose this freedom? 819 01:17:33,860 --> 01:17:39,380 God stands with the annihilation of those powers that prevent mankind 820 01:17:39,380 --> 01:17:42,050 discovering him. Annihilation by suicide bomber? 821 01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:47,630 If preaching alone can do it. 822 01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:54,210 You see, I find America tremendous. 823 01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:58,490 The promise of it, the spirit of it. 824 01:17:59,130 --> 01:18:01,390 I chose to become an American. 825 01:18:01,790 --> 01:18:06,410 I was born somewhere else. I was born at the end of the world, but like millions 826 01:18:06,410 --> 01:18:08,670 and millions of others, I came to America. 827 01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:11,510 I melted into the melting pot. 828 01:18:12,370 --> 01:18:14,570 Look what America's given us. 829 01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:17,310 How can you knock it? It is an invader nation. 830 01:18:17,630 --> 01:18:22,190 It turns up where it is not wanted. To murder, loot, and humiliate. 831 01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:24,810 Muslim problems are for Muslims to solve. 832 01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:27,230 The Americans use such problems to invade. 833 01:18:27,850 --> 01:18:31,190 They established their army in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the prophet. 834 01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:34,050 They say they are defending Saudi Arabia. 835 01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:37,770 Infidel women in uniform defending Saudi men. 836 01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:40,490 Can you not see how this is seen? 837 01:18:41,010 --> 01:18:45,270 Surely you should take this up with the Sauds. The house of sword are puppets. 838 01:18:45,770 --> 01:18:48,670 The enemy of Islam is the puppet master. 839 01:18:50,250 --> 01:18:51,430 Are you so American? 840 01:18:52,890 --> 01:18:54,190 My position is this. 841 01:18:54,570 --> 01:18:58,710 Its citizens are innocent of crime. Do you know what has happened in Palestine? 842 01:18:59,530 --> 01:19:04,510 Yes. Our people have been robbed of their holy lands by Israel, whose 843 01:19:04,510 --> 01:19:05,510 are paid by America. 844 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,380 Paid for by American taxes handed over by American citizens. 845 01:19:10,380 --> 01:19:11,780 How can I knock America? 846 01:19:16,020 --> 01:19:18,860 I can knock America very easily, my friend. 847 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,160 My New Zealand friend. 848 01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:25,560 My American friend. 849 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,980 Sir Peter Arnett. 850 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:32,580 I'm from Baghdad. 851 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,580 Right. Seems okay. 852 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,460 Ready whenever you are, Pete. 853 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:41,960 Yeah. 854 01:19:48,740 --> 01:19:50,040 Oh, you're going there? Yeah. 855 01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:00,680 I am ready, Mr. Arnett. 856 01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:02,520 But you know the rules. 857 01:20:03,220 --> 01:20:05,220 You ask the questions on your sheet of paper. 858 01:20:06,440 --> 01:20:07,920 You ask only those questions. 859 01:20:09,740 --> 01:20:11,340 The questions I have approved of. 860 01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:14,880 You ask those questions or you go away empty -handed. 861 01:20:16,140 --> 01:20:17,880 You have come this far, Mr. Ahmed. 862 01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:19,900 Mr. Peter Ahmed. 863 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,180 You ask only those questions. 864 01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:42,870 Mr. Bin Laden, if Arabia becomes an Islamic state, 865 01:20:43,050 --> 01:20:45,850 what happens to the price of oil? 866 01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:54,350 CNN has obtained an exclusive interview with Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi Arabian 867 01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:59,070 Muslim leader. Last year, the militant Muslim leader declared a jihad, a holy 868 01:20:59,070 --> 01:21:02,790 war, on the United States and is currently a fugitive in Afghanistan. 869 01:21:03,690 --> 01:21:08,290 Tell us something about your life before you joined the struggle against the 870 01:21:08,290 --> 01:21:12,750 Russians. Did you work for your father's construction firm as an engineer? 871 01:21:18,210 --> 01:21:24,930 Reporter Peter Arnett obtained the interview after going through 872 01:21:24,930 --> 01:21:28,430 unorthodox channels and being taken to a secret location in Afghanistan. 873 01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:32,650 We met in a hut in the Tora Bora mountain. 874 01:21:33,610 --> 01:21:39,990 We discussed oil prices, the holy war bin Laden has declared on America, his 875 01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:42,790 experience of the war against the Russians in Afghanistan. 876 01:21:43,650 --> 01:21:46,290 He had very piercing eyes. 877 01:21:46,710 --> 01:21:50,130 He had a presence, a quiet ruthlessness. 878 01:21:50,630 --> 01:21:54,890 He was consciously speaking to the world through me. 879 01:21:59,210 --> 01:22:01,150 I suppose we get back to... 880 01:22:01,630 --> 01:22:03,410 Does he have the ability to wage war? 881 01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:05,930 Can he command a big enough army? 882 01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:09,790 Local operations, yes, but further afield? 883 01:22:10,670 --> 01:22:12,770 Can he touch a Muslim nerve? 884 01:22:14,170 --> 01:22:15,170 Who knows? 885 01:22:17,210 --> 01:22:18,330 We were used, Pete. 886 01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:19,590 Fair game. 887 01:22:20,890 --> 01:22:22,130 But what did we miss? 888 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:49,280 You will see and hear about them in the media, God willing. 889 01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:12,910 Yeah, really. 890 01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:16,030 Dad! 891 01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:18,330 Hey, great to see you, sweetie. 892 01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:20,410 Thanks for coming out. 893 01:23:20,650 --> 01:23:21,568 Hey, Pete. 894 01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:22,529 Hi, Alistair. 895 01:23:22,530 --> 01:23:23,530 Yeah, talk soon. 896 01:23:25,410 --> 01:23:26,410 Oh, thanks. 897 01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:29,630 How was Kuwait? 898 01:23:30,850 --> 01:23:32,410 Actually... Yes? 899 01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:34,690 I've been in Afghanistan. 900 01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:36,930 You were going to Kuwait. 901 01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:38,610 We took a side trip. 902 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:40,600 Of course you did. 903 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,220 We found Bin Laden. 904 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:43,840 What? 905 01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,200 You found him? 906 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,740 I don't think I found anything he didn't want me to know. 907 01:24:33,390 --> 01:24:37,510 We have some breaking news right now, and we're going to come back with that 908 01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:39,670 a moment when we're joined by the rest of the network. 909 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,460 These are pictures from the foot of New York City at the World Trade Center. 910 01:24:46,340 --> 01:24:47,940 There's a major fire there. 911 01:24:48,380 --> 01:24:52,960 We don't yet know the details, but there's been some kind of explosion in 912 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,100 upper levels of a building. 913 01:24:54,840 --> 01:25:00,180 There are unconfirmed reports that a large flame has hit the World Trade 914 01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:05,180 and you can see on screen that there is smoke coming out of both sides of the 915 01:25:05,180 --> 01:25:06,180 North Tower. 916 01:25:13,620 --> 01:25:14,620 Elsa? Elsa? 917 01:25:14,860 --> 01:25:15,860 Are you alright? 918 01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:45,300 He spoke to Mom. 919 01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:47,260 How is he? 920 01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,180 In shock, like the rest of us. 921 01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:53,400 Andrew, too. 922 01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:57,880 Could you have had any idea that he was coming? 923 01:25:58,640 --> 01:25:59,640 Not a chance. 924 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:03,800 Unimaginable. 925 01:26:04,540 --> 01:26:06,060 Hindsight makes a fool of you. 926 01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:13,560 I asked him what his future plans were. 927 01:26:15,660 --> 01:26:18,000 You will see and read about them in the media. 928 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:19,880 God willing. 929 01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:23,940 The simplicity of it. 930 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,780 And now he's waiting for us to respond. 931 01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:32,920 He was using us to send a message. 932 01:26:34,700 --> 01:26:36,100 And we didn't let him. 933 01:27:27,340 --> 01:27:28,940 Thank you, Mr. Bin Laden. 934 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,680 Okay, we're done here. 935 01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:34,420 We can relax. 936 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,000 Relax. 937 01:27:36,980 --> 01:27:40,060 Can we get a couple of still pictures now? 938 01:27:40,620 --> 01:27:41,620 Some photographs? 939 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:44,280 Come on, guys. 940 01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:51,500 Okay. 941 01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,680 Are we ready? 942 01:28:43,049 --> 01:28:47,090 Supporting local content so you can see more of New Zealand On Air.